Comments on: Banking on the One True Internet identity system http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/09/17/banking-on-the-one-true-internet-identity-system/ "I've proven who I am so many times the magnetic strip's worn thin" -- "Pacing the Cage" by Bruce Cockburn Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:32:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: NOVELL: Novell Open PR » Blog Archive » DigitalMe takes a bite out of the Apple http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/09/17/banking-on-the-one-true-internet-identity-system/comment-page-1/#comment-2989 NOVELL: Novell Open PR » Blog Archive » DigitalMe takes a bite out of the Apple Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:34:34 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/09/17/banking-on-the-one-true-internet-identity-system/#comment-2989 [...] this better than I could, so check out his posting here. While you are there, also read his posting on the one true identity system that he wants and is helping to [...] [...] this better than I could, so check out his posting here. While you are there, also read his posting on the one true identity system that he wants and is helping to [...]

]]> By: Dale Olds http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/09/17/banking-on-the-one-true-internet-identity-system/comment-page-1/#comment-2986 Dale Olds Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:01:23 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/09/17/banking-on-the-one-true-internet-identity-system/#comment-2986 Hi Eve, thanks for the comment. And I'm glad I'm only a few years behind you in my thinking. :) I agree that identity account linking can be a simple and lightweight process. In my twisted mind I was trying to draw a parallel that the relatively heavy paperwork in linking my personal financial accounts was similar to the heavy guidelines, policies, and legal issues often associated with establishing identity account links between businesses. Hence the link to the FAQ about "Circle of Trust", but the link got mangled somehow. I'll see if I can fix it. Overall, I really just wanted to explain some of my gut feelings about identity systems, and not get it too tightly coupled to the technology. Arguing technology by analogy leads to some strange writing. For example: http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2007/09/freakonomics-of.html Hi Eve, thanks for the comment. And I’m glad I’m only a few years behind you in my thinking. :)

I agree that identity account linking can be a simple and lightweight process. In my twisted mind I was trying to draw a parallel that the relatively heavy paperwork in linking my personal financial accounts was similar to the heavy guidelines, policies, and legal issues often associated with establishing identity account links between businesses. Hence the link to the FAQ about “Circle of Trust”, but the link got mangled somehow. I’ll see if I can fix it.

Overall, I really just wanted to explain some of my gut feelings about identity systems, and not get it too tightly coupled to the technology. Arguing technology by analogy leads to some strange writing. For example: http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2007/09/freakonomics-of.html

]]> By: http://openid.sun.com/xmlgrrl http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/09/17/banking-on-the-one-true-internet-identity-system/comment-page-1/#comment-2985 http://openid.sun.com/xmlgrrl Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:10:52 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/09/17/banking-on-the-one-true-internet-identity-system/#comment-2985 Hi Dale-- You say "Linked accounts are a little heavy on the paperwork side." But the link can be as light or as heavy as the context requires. Dopplr lets you later link an OpenID to the local account it makes you create. Jyte automatically creates a local account with a unique name that is based on the OpenID you used when you logged in for the first time, and informs you of that fact. These are examples of linked accounts. The real problem is that most accounts doing anything high-value (like transferring insurance payments) really do require trust, and any way you slice it, that still tends to get complicated. I agree with your observation that the important accounts in one's life ideally should boil down to less than 10. (Strangely enough, I posited that this is the right number for a person's IdPs in a paper a couple years back: http://www.w3.org/2005/Security/usability-ws/papers/39-maler/ ) Hi Dale– You say “Linked accounts are a little heavy on the paperwork side.” But the link can be as light or as heavy as the context requires. Dopplr lets you later link an OpenID to the local account it makes you create. Jyte automatically creates a local account with a unique name that is based on the OpenID you used when you logged in for the first time, and informs you of that fact. These are examples of linked accounts.

The real problem is that most accounts doing anything high-value (like transferring insurance payments) really do require trust, and any way you slice it, that still tends to get complicated.

I agree with your observation that the important accounts in one’s life ideally should boil down to less than 10. (Strangely enough, I posited that this is the right number for a person’s IdPs in a paper a couple years back: http://www.w3.org/2005/Security/usability-ws/papers/39-maler/ )

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