Comments for dale olds' virtualsoul http://virtualsoul.org/blog "I've proven who I am so many times the magnetic strip's worn thin" -- "Pacing the Cage" by Bruce Cockburn Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:19:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 Comment on The Internet Identity Explosion and the Bandit Project by dale olds’ virtualsoul » Bandit, Community, and Corporate Deployments http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/02/23/the-internet-identity-explosion-and-the-bandit-project/#comment-7469 dale olds’ virtualsoul » Bandit, Community, and Corporate Deployments Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:05:55 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/02/23/the-internet-identity-explosion-and-the-bandit-project/#comment-7469 [...] my last post, I talk about three ways that the Bandit Project is contributing to emerging Internet identity [...] [...] my last post, I talk about three ways that the Bandit Project is contributing to emerging Internet identity [...]

]]> Comment on Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus by On Message with Ben Gross » Blog Archive » Link Roundup on Identity Management 4/13/08 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-5290 On Message with Ben Gross » Blog Archive » Link Roundup on Identity Management 4/13/08 Tue, 27 May 2008 01:23:27 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-5290 [...] Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus: Dale Olds makes an interesting point about decentralization arguing for a loosely coupled “bus” model in identity management while trying to slightly reframe the current debate about directory management. [...] [...] Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus: Dale Olds makes an interesting point about decentralization arguing for a loosely coupled “bus” model in identity management while trying to slightly reframe the current debate about directory management. [...]

]]> Comment on Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus by Mike Jones: self-issued » The Certificate Odyssey http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-4386 Mike Jones: self-issued » The Certificate Odyssey Sun, 04 May 2008 22:34:55 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-4386 [...] getting the certificate created and installed, I wrote this about it at the time to Stuart Kwan (hip Internet terminologist): Getting and installing the certificate was an unbelievable odyssey. It was an *incredibly [...] [...] getting the certificate created and installed, I wrote this about it at the time to Stuart Kwan (hip Internet terminologist): Getting and installing the certificate was an unbelievable odyssey. It was an *incredibly [...]

]]> Comment on Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus by Sampo Kellomäki http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3715 Sampo Kellomäki Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:49:53 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3715 While virtual directories, et al., solve a lot tactically for an organization, I agree it promotes a political single point of control. Sometimes this is by design, but in a broader context such single minded control may not be good overall. What we are facing here is trading of control by those who are in power for the good of the ecosystem - and ultimately the society at large. Kind of like a start-up shareholder accepting dilution and loss of control in exchange for rewards from the enhanced growth prospects that an investor brings. If identity management is viewed tactically by some quarter of an enterprise, the hub makes sense, but if the greater common good is taken in account, loosening the controls so the ecosystem becomes more effective is a good idea. To assess the risks, such as increased exposure of the identity data, of an identity bus, we need to understand a bit better what is being proposed: Is the intent to broadcast? Is the intent to allow queries on "as needed" basis and how does that access control in itself not become a hub? If not broadcasting, but still desiring to eliminate the hub, do we need some sort of a grid architecture? Or something like the Internet that can survive the nuclear war? Or perhaps appropriate public policy about not censoring the identity bus is sufficient? --Sampo While virtual directories, et al., solve a lot tactically for an organization, I agree
it promotes a political single point of control. Sometimes this is by design, but
in a broader context such single minded control may not be good overall.

What we are facing here is trading of control by those who are in power
for the good of the ecosystem - and ultimately the society at large. Kind of
like a start-up shareholder accepting dilution and loss of control in exchange
for rewards from the enhanced growth prospects that an investor brings.

If identity management is viewed tactically by some quarter of an enterprise,
the hub makes sense, but if the greater common good is taken in account,
loosening the controls so the ecosystem becomes more effective is
a good idea.

To assess the risks, such as increased exposure of the identity data, of an
identity bus, we need to understand a bit better what is being proposed:
Is the intent to broadcast? Is the intent to allow queries on “as needed”
basis and how does that access control in itself not become a hub?

If not broadcasting, but still desiring to eliminate the hub, do we need some
sort of a grid architecture? Or something like the Internet that can survive
the nuclear war? Or perhaps appropriate public policy about not censoring
the identity bus is sufficient?

–Sampo

]]> Comment on Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus by joerg http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3704 joerg Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:10:09 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3704 Great discussion. I have changed the EIC agenda and added a panel "Virtual Directories and Beyond", see http://www.id-conf.com/sessions/260 . Panelists are, besides Dale, Dave (moderation), Jackson Shaw, Michel Prompt, Sampo Kellomäki and Martin Kuppinger. Joerg Great discussion. I have changed the EIC agenda and added a panel “Virtual Directories and Beyond”, see http://www.id-conf.com/sessions/260 . Panelists are, besides Dale, Dave (moderation), Jackson Shaw, Michel Prompt, Sampo Kellomäki and Martin Kuppinger.

Joerg

]]> Comment on Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus by IdentityBlog - Digital Identity, Privacy, and the Internet's Missing Identity Layer http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3670 IdentityBlog - Digital Identity, Privacy, and the Internet's Missing Identity Layer Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:14:37 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3670 [...] Dale Olds, who will be on Dave Kearns’ panel at the upcoming European Identity Conference, has added [...] [...] Dale Olds, who will be on Dave Kearns’ panel at the upcoming European Identity Conference, has added [...]

]]> Comment on Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus by Eve M. http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3620 Eve M. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:11:46 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3620 Dale, I think you've highlighted a really important point. Bus technology is about loose coupling of data and functions, not centralized control of them; identity bus technology is about loose coupling of identity data and functions, not centralized control of them. Right? (I notice your description of an identity bus is nearly identical to the definition many people use for "federated identity" in general!) I'd say it's the loose coupling, and concomitant spelling-out, of roles (not the mere fact that there's a "transformation" or "issuance" in the picture) that makes the InfoCard scenario valuable. Do you see it the same way? Dale, I think you’ve highlighted a really important point. Bus technology is about loose coupling of data and functions, not centralized control of them; identity bus technology is about loose coupling of identity data and functions, not centralized control of them. Right? (I notice your description of an identity bus is nearly identical to the definition many people use for “federated identity” in general!)

I’d say it’s the loose coupling, and concomitant spelling-out, of roles (not the mere fact that there’s a “transformation” or “issuance” in the picture) that makes the InfoCard scenario valuable. Do you see it the same way?

]]> Comment on Meta/Virtual/Directory Hubs and the Need for the Identity Bus by davekearns http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3619 davekearns Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:59:59 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/04/02/metavirtualdirectory-hubs-and-the-need-for-the-identity-bus/#comment-3619 Only if by "roasted" you mean hoist a few in the biergarten..... :) I don't think we're that far apart. The Identity hub is a waypoint along the identity bus that does translation. Much like an STS, but I see the STS as being installed on a shunt to one particular identity silo whereas the hub is available to everything passing by. -dave Only if by “roasted” you mean hoist a few in the biergarten….. :)

I don’t think we’re that far apart. The Identity hub is a waypoint along the identity bus that does translation. Much like an STS, but I see the STS as being installed on a shunt to one particular identity silo whereas the hub is available to everything passing by.

-dave

]]> Comment on Information card login, finally here and now. by The Random Musings » Blog Archive » OpenID Support On My Blog http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/06/04/information-card-login-finally-here-and-now/#comment-3170 The Random Musings » Blog Archive » OpenID Support On My Blog Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:59:32 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2007/06/04/information-card-login-finally-here-and-now/#comment-3170 [...] locally and at the Bandit t-shirt site, I browsed over to Dale Olds blog, and found an article, Information card login, finally here and now., which it turns out, talks about how he enabled both OpenID and [...] [...] locally and at the Bandit t-shirt site, I browsed over to Dale Olds blog, and found an article, Information card login, finally here and now., which it turns out, talks about how he enabled both OpenID and [...]

]]> Comment on A familiar hacker visits my home network by http://openid.aol.com/oldsjt http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/02/14/a-familiar-hacker-visits-my-home-network/#comment-3079 http://openid.aol.com/oldsjt Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:54:06 +0000 http://virtualsoul.org/blog/2008/02/14/a-familiar-hacker-visits-my-home-network/#comment-3079 evidently i sent that email at 4:06 pm, so, i probably had just woken up. i recall typing in a few synonyms there before giving up, but you're right, instruction is much better. evidently i sent that email at 4:06 pm, so, i probably had just woken up. i recall typing in a few synonyms there before giving up, but you’re right, instruction is much better.

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